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February 24, 2004 at 4:30 pm #5232

miket2004

Hi

I wondered if you could help ? I am happy with the door range i require (PWS – Tivari Walnut) but in my quest to track down a supplier, i have found wide variations in carcassing.

I really like the spec in the link below :-

http://www.primrose.co.uk/primrose/specifications.htm

Unfortunately, they do not deliver outside Scotland.

The supplier below, however, is offering a great deal, but i don’t know if the quality is acceptable.

http://www.kitchenandbedroomdesign.co.u … pplies.htm

My question is, the latter supplier does not glue and dowel and offers no official guarantee. Their pre-assembled carcasses are screwed together and delivered with doors attached.

Is there anything wrong with screw fixing as opposed to glue and dowel ? I will be visiting the factory – what should i look out for ?

Best wishes

Mike

February 26, 2004 at 6:11 pm #5233

timfoley

The quality of any kitchen is determined by the cabinets and there

are a number of factors that decide how good a carcass is, such as:
Cabinet strength – the build quality of some cabinets is so poor that to even lift them into place is a risk of them falling apart.
Board width – varies from 15, 16, 18 or 19mm. (18 or 19mm preferred}
Design – cabinets that employ a hardboard back or shallow depth back are evidently inferior to ones built using an 18mm back.
Depth – standard cabinet depth is between 560-575mm substantially less than this will lose valuable space in a large kitchen.
Hinge and drawer quality – extremely important due to everyday use of both.
Drawers should be metal sided with a solid base. (Blumotion anti-slam the ulterior at present) Hinges should be of a quality manufacture such as Blum
How are the cabinets constructed ? Cam fixings, Glued and dowelled(are both preferred options). Screws rely purely on the relying on the end grain to hold the cabinet together.
Are the front edges safeguarded? Some manufacturers employ a 3mm protective edge.
Chipboard quality is another important factor and is available in various grades.

One fact that is ignored by many kitchen buyers, and more importantly, manufacturers is the protection of the sink base cabinet, in particular, against leaks which will ultimately

ruin your carcass.
As yet no fully effective barrier agains water ingress exists but I still remain hopeful that one day my own invention, “Unitsaver” will play a pioneering role in creating the

protection required.

Until then, should a sink cabinet suffer water damage it’s off with your worktops, be they laminate, solid surface, stainless steel or granite, Then it’s shopping for new ones,

unless some miraculous method of replacing the sink cabinet exists whilst all the plumbing services and sink remain in situ.
Sorry for the long response but answers to the above questions should help you make a decision.

February 26, 2004 at 8:44 pm #5234

miket2004

Hi Tim

Thank you for the reply – really appreciate it.

I suppose i should have been a bit more specific. Supplier A (in link) is offering a spec as below which i think fits with your general min spec (But they wont supply outside

Scotland):-

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Cabinets are rigid built using a strong thick 18mm MFC board and an advanced glue and dowel system.

Colour Co-ordinated cabinets. For example – on a kitchen with natural maple doors – all surfaces of the cabinet, including inside, will be in a natural maple effect*.

Colour Co-ordinated cabinet edging.

All base cabinets have 18mm solid backs. This gives the base cabinet extra strength and rigidity.

All wall cabinets have 8mm solid backs. This gives the wall cabinet extra strength and rigidity.

Wall cabinets are suspended on concealed hanging brackets featuring nickel cover caps.

Base cabinets are 570mm deep and have a 50mm service recess at the rear

Base cabinets have one adjustable shelf as standard

Base cabinets have 150mm adjustable legs with 30mm of adjustment

Blum™ Tandembox® drawer system as standard on all drawers.

Blum™ concealed Tandem® runner system on a wooden drawer box as optional upgrade

Hinges are Blum™ clip-on with 3 way adjustment and in-line hinge plates

Wall cabinets are 300mm deep with 11mm service recess at rear

575 high wall cabinets have 1 shelf: 720mm wall cabinets have 2 shelves, 900mm wall cabinets have 3 shelves. All are fully adjustable.

5 year guarantee against defective workmanship.
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Supplier B is offering the spec below and will deliver anywhere:-

Product Information

…18mm rigid carcass

…18mm MFC back panel

…Units edged all round

…Adjustable legs

…Metal shelf supports

…Clip on hinges

…Door suppliers suggested co-ordinating carcass colour

…Blum metal sided drawer boxes

…60mm rear service cavity to base units

…All units wrapped in cling and Vee-board

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Most of the above are easy to distinguish apart, however it’s the screw fixing in particular which is worrying me (as opposed to glue and dowel). The carcasses are supplied fully

assembled and the spec reads fine…but i am unfamiliar with their method of fixing the carcassing i.e screw fix.

Is this construction something i should steer well clear of ? Or is this a legitimate construction method accepted in the trade and considered as just as good as dowel and glue ?

I am happy with all other points and thank you once again for your time and your assistance.

Best wishes

Mike

February 26, 2004 at 11:23 pm #5236

timfoley

It appears that both companies offer a high

specification of cabinets but you offer greater detail from one of the companies.

I would be more concerned about any company that does not specify a guarantee period with their products as you stated in your previous post.
You need to determine the method of fixing the carcasses and if they use chipboard screws then you are receiving a product that is inferior to an advanced glued and dowelled system

but if this is reflected in the price difference then that may be of greater consideration to you.

The methods principally accepted as being above others and utilised by the majority of quality retailers remain the metal cam and screw dowelled or the glued and dowelled system.
The disadvantage with a glued and dowelled system for me, is the inability to change selected components of the carcass should it become damaged, far easier and less damaging with a

cam and dowelled system.

You need to determine the method the company uses and decide if this is reflected in the comparitive costs.
A carcass built using screws alone may, has and still is used by a number of manufacturers but improvements in cabinet construction rendered the methods I’ve detailed aa being used

by the more noted manufacturers and these are to be preferred.

February 28, 2004 at 7:43 pm #5240

peter-m

First I would like to thank Tim for a great website,

The subject of carcasses has also been bothering me, it would be like building your home on sand instead of rock if you choose the wrong supplier.

really like the spec in the link below :-

http://www.primrose.co.uk/primrose/specifications.htm

Unfortunately, they do not deliver outside Scotland.

Why don’t you find a haulage company that Primrose can deliver your carcasses to, you could compromise with warranty issues if there are any.

I to would like to purchase good quality carcasses, I am not ready as yet to start my kitchen but you could team up with someone else who needs them.

Regards peter-m

February 29, 2004 at 4:35 pm #5241

timfoley

Peter,

Thanks for the kind comments and welcome to the forum.

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