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| July 5, 2007 at 9:02 pm #6597 | |
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timfoley |
The hot topic at present, according to our latest issue of our industry rag, the KBB Review, is the frustration of showroom retailers towardsthe appliance manufacturers who deem the internet appliance sellers with similar importance. A number of showroom retailers claim that because appliance manufacturers do not offer them greater discount than the internet sellers, they are at a disadvantage when it comes to selling appliances from their showrooms. One retailer even suggests that manufacturers should not supply the internet traders, claiming that certain manufacturers now favour their internet traders at the expense of the High St kitchen retailers. I do find all this perplexing and perhaps even short sighted especially on hearing one showroom MD suggesting that because he displays the products in a showroom, he should have a right to greater discount than the internet traders. Another retailer states that a price advantage should be offered to those who display the product "because without this the consumer wouldn’t see the product in the flesh therefore the sale might not happen at all" What was very evident from the article was that the internet traders were not offered a right of reply and this is indicative of how insular and narrow minded the industry is. They remain dinosaurs in a consumer-savvy age. Anything without a showroom and with ‘www’ in front of it is seen as exploitative and they regard most internet sellers as having an easy time of it "sitting in their dining room in front of a computer" whilst reaping in the rewards for doing little other than a click. Well as they don’t have a right of reply, I will offer one for them and I must point out here that this website does not offer appliances for sale because we could not compete with the internet traders yet I applaud them for allowing the modern online consumer to achieve the savings they deserve. As with showroom retailers, internet traders fall into two catgories, good ones and bad ones. To determine this you only have to visit the number of review sites or forums available on the internet as most consumers now do. You stand or fall by your reputation now, more so than ever before; by your quality of service and your ability to deal expediantly and effectively with issues that will undoubtedly occur when selling goods or providing a service. Bemoaning the Internet seller is akin to BT resenting Mobile Phone companies – do they? No – they adapt their market to compete with the sellers rather than waste their time trying to persuade the consumer not to use mobile phones. Some years ago I met with the then marketing director of BSH, the appliance manufacturer of Neff, Siemens, Bosch and Gaggenau group. Our website was in it’s early stages and I hit upon the idea of only selling products I knew were cost efficient and that offered a good service back-up and longevity. Neff, from my experience in the trade as an installer of the product and as a purchaser of appliances for the projects we undertook, provided me with the least headaches, greater ease of installation and the best feedback from the end user. It was also suggested, at our meeting, that we could offer, with all sales, Neff oven gloves and aprons to distinguish and assist in the selling of Neff-only products from the website. We never were able to offer Neff appliances over the site but at this meeting Neff were happy to support our promotion of their products via our website and we had an association with them up until 2006 when it was decided by a new marketing team not to continue supporting our aims in conveying the advantages of purchasing Neff to our site visitors who at the time were averaging 700 per day. My assumption is, that pressure was brought to bear on them not to associate with internet kitchen companies and another assumption is that it was brought about by their retailers. Since this time I have kept the link to their website and still take many calls asking my opinion about the products. I still respond in glowing terms about the product and bear no resentment to those who decided not to continue supporting our efforts to promote the Neff brand. What does stick in my throat a little now are Neff’s comments regarding this issue and made in the same article I have been referring to. In it they state that "three years ago they had finally had enough of dealing with people with no passion for the product who were diminishing the value of the brand and we now give a net purchase price according to a retailers support" My message to retailers resentful of the internet traders is to compete with them by adapting your business and placing additional investment in your internet presence as many have already successfully done so. |
| July 8, 2007 at 8:31 am #6598 | |
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Majjie |
Great post Tim. I have worked in quite a few showrooms in the past and, as I believe the Electrolux representative said in the article, most display appliances are sold off at a profit, after being on display (sometimes after only a few months). The only cost to the retailer is the space in the showroom … and lets face it, a kitchen display without any appliances isn’t going to look very effective. These retailers who say they’re going to boycott appliance manufacturers. Are they going to have displays with a gaping hole where the oven should go and a big gap next to the sink, instead of a dishwasher? That won’t do their kitchen sales much good. I can see the point about customers liking to see items on display before they buy … I like to have a look at a cooker; open the doors and pick up the pan supports … before I decide whether I want to recommend it to customers. But lets face it, there’s such a huge variety of appliances available these days that a kitchen showroom, with a small selection on display, isn’t the best place to go. The winners of the future, I believe, will be the specialist appliance retailers who do have a showroom. There are a few about now. They sell appliances both from the showroom and over the internet and, although the appliances in the showroom aren’t in a kitchen setting and are all crammed together, there are a very large number displayed … for door opening and general evaluation. I won’t recommend an internet seller that doesn’t have a showroom but neither can I, in all honesty, recommend my customers to buy from a kitchen showroom – unless their prices are competitive. I’m with you on this – kitchen retailers have got to admit that times have changed. They obviously need some appliances in their showrooms and the manufacturers still need these outlets … for now … I’m not sure that will still be the case in the future. |
| February 20, 2008 at 6:11 pm #6700 | |
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ban-all-sheds |
Well – it’s late to be replying to this, but it’s a subject that interests me. Even though I’m a customer, and concerned for my wallet, I am uncomfortable with the notion of going to bricks’n'mortar retailers to touch and feel products – a very useful thing to do, compare alternatives in the flesh etc, and then going home to scour the internet for the best price. I see what you say about retailers raising their game, and being enthusiastic and knowledgeable etc, but is that going to help them? Some years ago I was successfully upsold to a Miele dishwasher in John Lewis, partly because of the salesman’s knowledge and enthusiasm, and partly because the touching and feeling made the quality apparent. But it could just as easily have turned out that the guy’s efforts helped Miele, but not JL – I could have gone away from there having made my product choice and looked for an internet seller to undercut them. Ultimately, a business which maintains high street premises, heated, lit, carpeted, staffed etc, or even one which maintains edge-of-town sheds with poorer decor and fewer staff, is not going to be able to compete with a business that has an unheated warehouse on an industrial estate and a back office with a few people in it…. |
| February 25, 2008 at 11:48 am #6711 | |
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Majjie |
Well, the playing field seems to have changed a bit last week – since Trade Appliances (my favourite internet supplier) went into administration. They had both showrooms and a number of internet sites – the best of both worlds – or so I thought! Original owner Mark Fawsitt sold the company last year and it seems to have gone rapidly downhill since. It was after speaking to him, at one of the showrooms, that I started to recommend them. Traditional high street stores will be busy saying that it was the low margins that caused their demise. I can’t help thinking it must have been down to the new owners lack of expertise (or worse!) – but who knows? It just goes to show how difficult it is to judge a company without inside knowledge and up to the minute information. The moral probably is … if you’re going to buy on the internet – always use a credit card. |
| February 26, 2008 at 1:06 am #6717 | |
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timfoley |
Not sure about the point you are trying to get across here Ban all Sheds. Are you saying that you are willing to pay extra after visiting a showroom that displays a product you wish to buy but one that is available for less on the internet? |
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